NeoM Modeling Pickups


Here’s some exciting news! Tired of the same old 50s Mojo? We will soon be releasing two new full-range pickups designed for modeling: the NeoM SC (single-coil) and NeoM HB (humbucker).

(Update: this project has been shelved and superseded by the Cycfi XR)

NeoM-SC
NeoM SC

What is modeling? If you’ve seen the demo of the Neo multichannel pickups, we were able to easily sculpt the tone using EQ matching to capture the frequency response of another pickup or even an acoustic guitar. There’s so much flexibility and power there!

A full bandwidth pickup will give you complete freedom to shape the frequency response —it’s the perfect blank canvas.

The NeoM Modeling pickups have the same flat frequency response as their siblings, the Neo Series Active Multichannel pickups. These are active pickups utilising very low impedance (Lo-Z) coils with an ultra low-noise preamplifier to boost the lower level Lo-Z signal.

Thanks to modern SMT electronics, the NeoM pickups also feature a built-in resonant filter right there in the pickup, allowing you to sculpt the tone from twangy 50s Mojo to crystal clear HiFi, without requiring external tone controls or equalisers.

Unlike the original Neo series, these pickups are meant to be installed just like any other active pickup. We will provide an easy install (no soldering) system. All components are premium grade. No cutting corners!

Humbucking

A double-coil humbucking variant will also be available. Both versions incorporate the same Lo-Z technology from its predecessor, the Multichannel Neo Series. Both boast extremely low noise preamplifiers. Like the single-coil variant, the humbucker also contains a built-in resonant filter. Both versions are noiseless.

NeoM-HB
NeoM-HB

Resonant EQ

Technically speaking, a pickup is an audio voltage source followed by a second-order lowpass filter. The tone (colour) of the pickup is characterised by its cut-off frequency and its resonance contour —the so-called Quality factor or simply Q. The NeoM has a couple of switches for setting the cutoff-frequency and Q plus an additional bypass switch (if you need to get the full, flat frequency range). The switches are slightly recessed to avoid accidental switching.

NeoM-SC2
Resonant Filter

The controls give you 9 of preselected voices (3 x 3), plus bypass to full-range, for a total of 10 voices per pickup!

F Control

The F switch controls the cutoff-frequency. Lo is preset to 2kHz, Mid to 3kHz and Hi to 6KHz. These are the frequencies that give you the classic tones of electric guitars that we all can’t ever get enough of. We’ve done a lot of frequency analysis with many hours of listening tests before we arrived at these sweet frequencies.

Freq-curves
Cutoff Frequency

Q Control

Q controls the resonance of the filter and determines the steepness of the curve. There are three Q presets Lo, Mid and Hi. The higher the Q, the narrower and sharper the peak is. A narrow peak gives a more pronounced filter effect at the cutoff-frequency. A gentler slope gives you a mellower, rounded tone.

Q-curves
Quality factor

As you can see in the graph above, a higher Q produces higher gain. The Q switch compensates for the gain at each setting (1.0 [0dB], 2.5 [8dB] and 3.75 [12dB]) with a corresponding gain reduction before the filter so we have constant gain for all Q settings. This prevents the filter from clipping and produces an overall balanced output regardless of switch position.

Q-curves-compensated
Compensated Q settings
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Andrea
Andrea
8 years ago

YES! This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for since I started pondering about active pickups and state variable filters and so on! I’m really looking forward to this!

The switches on the pickup themselves are nice but perhaps it would be better to be able to:
1) continuously adjust resonant frequency and Q to find “good” sounds (these controls don’t need to be easily accessible and could be small trim pots)
2) store those settings
3) recall a (limited) number of presets via easy to reach switches or rotary pots

Andrea
Andrea
8 years ago
Reply to  Joel de Guzman

Yes, the easiest and cheapest way is to just have two pots (as Lemme’s SVF circuit) and these already allow for the full set of sounds to be obtained, but tweakability and usability don’t always go together… I fear that two analog pots would make it hard to “recall” sounds on the spot.
In an ideal world they would respond to midi so that pickup settings could be stored as part of effects patches, but I digress…

By the way, what are the plans regarding the power supply? Any chance of rechargeable lithium ion as in the Fishman fluence line?

Lastly, if I may, I think you should consider dropping the word “modeling” from the pickup name. People may wrongly assume that there’s digital processing involved and shun them because of the (for now) underwhelming results of guitar modeling.

djowel64
djowel64
8 years ago
Reply to  Andrea

I’d really like to keep this as simple as possible initially. My real focus is on the Neo Multichannel pickups: https://www.cycfi.com/2014/02/neo-series-active-polyphonic-pickups/ , and the multichannel sustainer: https://www.cycfi.com/2014/06/the-infinity-project/. Yet, people keep on asking if I could produce an easy to install mono version of the Neo. “Easy” as-in, as simple as installing any other active pickup. What they really want is the flat frequency response and the flexibility to shape the sound by any means (analog or digital). I do have designs for a programmable version, yes including MIDI! But I’d like to have that as a latter option.

Hey, I always love rechargeable lithium ion. It’s always been a factor in my designs. I can also provide that as an option, yes!

I’ll think about dropping the “Modeling”. Would you suggest a better term?

Andrea
Andrea
8 years ago
Reply to  djowel64

I understand it can be quite underwhelming if people are more interested in a mono version of the Neo Multichannel, but speaking of myself, I wouldn’t quite know how to use a multichannel output, especially in a live situation, as it would need a considerably advanced setup (compared to a traditional guitar – pedals – amp set).

Now, if you can instead offer a “traditional style” pickup set that is:
– easier to mount (i.e. solderless, emg style or something similar)
– solves the battery hassle
– more versatile (state variable filter)
– more predictable (tone shaping is done only in one place instead of, I don’t know, by lowering the volume, turning the tone knob, soldering resistors or capacitors in the circuit, changing cables, magnet strength, number or spires etc…)

then yes, count me in!

Yes, one wouldn’t be able to create truly innovative sounds with them, but I think there is still a big potential market for a more convenient and less antiquated way of amplifying solid body guitars.

Regarding the word “modeling”, I personally have nothing against it and I do think it’s quite appropriate, I just wonder if it wouldn’t end up pushing away potential customers that would superficially assume that modeling = digital (and crappy). I’m not sure I have a better suggestion, NeoM is already a very good name as it conveys something new, perhaps something like “NeoM tone shaping pickups”? Maybe even something more bold. I suppose you realize that if they actually work (as in, they respond naturally to playing nuances, like a traditional passive PU), they would be the last pickups anybody would ever need? Aside from interface advancements, they would render guitar pickups a “solved problem”…

RoyC
8 years ago
Reply to  Andrea

Modelling is trying to copy a tone. Perhaps “tone shaping pickup” is a better term since you are actually trying to get the tone that you like which may or may not be similar in tone to an existing pickup.

Andrea
Andrea
8 years ago
Reply to  RoyC

Whoops, didn’t mean to copy your suggestion! I see we ended up with the same idea for a new name!

RoyC
8 years ago
Reply to  RoyC

No problem Andrea. At least we now have two votes for tone shaping pickups -)

Denis
Denis
8 years ago

Hi Joel,

may I provide few suggestion for you exciting pickups to make the ultimative one combining Multichannel and Modelling options in one pickup?

Use standard Roland 13 Pin connector for combined Multichannel and Modelling pickup outputs:
Pin 1 – signal 1
Pin 2 – signal 2
Pin 3 – signal 3
Pin 4 – signal 4
Pin 5 – signal 5
Pin 6 – signal 6
Pin 7 – output from regular guitar pickups (NeoM Modeling type output)
Pin 8 – synthesizer volume control signal
Pin 9 – not used/no connection
Pin 10 – synthesizer switch control signal (normally used for preset down)
Pin 11 – synthesizer switch control signal (normally used for preset up)
Pin 12 – +7 volts power
Pin 13 – -7 volts power
Shield – ground

Provide two outputs
– 13 Pin to breakout box
– Hi Z from Modeling side of pickup

Something like the AT-200 Guitar
http://www.gizmag.com/peavey-at200-guitar-with-autotune-technology-released/25581/pictures#3

Provide some sort of breakout box to
– supply power to guitar
– add standard midi socket to control NeoM Modeling presets over pin 9/10
– provide 6 RCA sockets for standard interface to sound card
– Provide Hi Z output conversion from Pin 7
– …

something like extended version of at-200 breakout box
http://peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/1152/118308/AT-200BBreakoutBox
http://stagecue.com/at200b.html

With the 13-Pin connector one could interface with Antares Auto Tune for Guitar pedal board and other effect boards:
http://www.autotuneforguitar.com/products/products.php?category=Auto-Tune_for_Guitar_Floor_Pedal_1

Denis
Denis
8 years ago

Hi Joel,

it is helpful to read through some older blog entries 😉 – “Multi Pin Cables”

Now I can use the right terminology. The advanced Neo6 version with mono mix output was the idea I tried to describe with “combined Multichannel and Modelling pickup”.

If you plan to use LEMO connectors from guitar to breakout box, It would still be nice to have the Roland 13 Pin jack on the breakout box for easy interface with effect boards.

Do I get it right from “Some musings on multi-channel ADC choices” that you are thinking about some digital out interface? Multichannel USB with Polyphonic and mono mix channels would be fantastic!

Some additional info:

Helmuth Lemme did the F and Q Control with regular pickups using external capacitors parallel to a pickup coil and resistors:
http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lemme/

He is also a big fan of Les Paul Recording guitars and did the F Control upgrade of one of the copies from ibanez :

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gitarrenelektronik.de%2Fniederohmige-pickups%2Fvielfalt-an-sounds%3Ftask%3Dview%26id%3D75&edit-text=&act=url

There is an electromagnetic-type sustainer SUSTAINIAC
http://www.sustainiac.com/

Earvana nut for compensated tuning guitar intonation:
http://www.earvana.com/

Pickup Tester for easy pickup positioning during tests:
http://www.axetrak.com/tester.asp

Denis
Denis
8 years ago

The drawback of SUSTAINIAC is that it has no separate amps for every strings.

“HEXAPHONIC MODEL We do not currently make a hexaphonic sustainer. These have six (or 7 etc.) independent sustainers. They allow complete sustain of chords. There are no immediate plans to make one. Occasionally, we get such a request but not very often. The size and complexity of such a sustainer would make the “STEALTHY” concept obsolete. Retrofit of such a sustainer would be a major project. The expense would be quite high. Furthermore, for most soloing, there would not be a great advantage. We may eventually do this, but not in the near future unless the request rate increases.”

Helmuth Lemme did a custom 6 channel em sustainer just like the The Infinity Project:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gitarrenelektronik.de%2Fprodukte%2Fschnaeppchen%2Fampchangerstandard-detail&edit-text=&act=url

http://www.gitarrenelektronik.de/images/stories/virtuemart/product/Sechs_Kanal_Feed_4d2f23d893b54.jpg

Samuel
Samuel
8 years ago

Hey Joel,

Are the NeoM essentially the same deal as the Neos but in a “simper to install/setup” form?

If not, can you give me the key differences?

I’m not much of a hacker.

I appreciate it,

Sam

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